How the Magistrate Office is to Run:
1) Most complaints will be handled by a simple quick "curb-side justice" by a Magistrate hearing. Only truly serious criminal charges need a trial - espionage, murder, etc. Magistrate summons those required as witnesses, listens and rules.
The process of appeal is from magistrate to chief magistrate to high magistrate to Ubar/Admin, but if you are dead it is hard to appeal. The head/chief scribe can not change a magistrates decisions only a higher ranked magistrate and finally the Ubar/Admin of the city may, though in my experience the Ubar/Admin did not over rule the high magistrate wanting to stay out of disputes.
2) The scarlets are also under the cities laws, not above them. They serve arrest warrants and bring prisoners in for trial, they do NOT render their own judgment and punishment (except in time of battle/raiders just kill attacking warriors, no trial)
3) Regarding the collaring of a free woman. Actual collaring of free woman can only be ordered by high magistrate, if no high magistrate then by a magistrate of the city. A free citizen can drag a women to a magistrate, but cannot simply collar and strip her, especially not the women of the village. If there is a question about if the woman is free she shall be treated as a free woman and put under house arrest in the city until a free woman of the city can determine if she is branded or not.
4) If visitors from a city we are allied with, they have the same rights as our citizens. If from other cities, do they have the same rights but on a very short leash. Visitors need to keep their behavior clean and above reproach.
5) Notice of incident/hearing are to be posted/publish so folks know hearings are occurring and the decision in each.
6) The highest magistrate of the city is a full member of the high council with all the rights and privilege of the council (example: voting). This will facilitate keeping the magistrates and high council having the same understanding of the laws and desires of the council.
Process for Opening the Magistrate Office in the City:
a) Meet with high council to confirm that scarlets are under city law and agreement of the above.
b) Issue a notice to the citizens listing who is the active magistrates are including a brief description of who to see about what and where they will be able to view postings from the magistrate office.
Post:
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If you are break the law or have a disputes do the following:
•If one citizen or those not of the city is accused of breaking the last they are to be brought to a magistrate for judgment and punishment if necessary.
•If the disputes involving more than one citizens of the same caste go to the head of their own caste for judgment in the matter, then notify the highest magistrate of their decision and what if any punishment is given.
•If the disputes involving citizens of more than one caste then go to a magistrate for judgment in the matter.
•The process of appeal is from magistrate, to chief magistrate, to high magistrate, then to Ubar/Admin, but if you are dead it is hard to appeal.
Magistrates Office Personnel:
Magistrate - Kati Beattie (Kati Evans)
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Magistrates Office Personnel (example shown of all positions):
High Magistrate - Kati Beattie (Kati Evans)
Chief Magistrate - display name (SL name)
Magistrate - display name (SL name)
display name (SL name)
Advocate - display name (SL name)
Court Scribe - display name (SL name)
Saturday, September 5, 2015
Sunday, August 2, 2015
Meeting with Village of Rorus Heads
[16:53] Ɲιккι Ɓєcкєηвαυєя ƬнαƖαѕѕα (nickel.snook) smiles heading to Kerok's door following Cassian " You can knock " she pushes him a little and laughs
[16:54] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian) accidentally kicks Nikki's anlke as we go in
[16:55] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Lady
[16:55] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Tal Sir
[16:55] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Greetings Ubar, Ubara - offering Nikki an innocent grin
[16:55] Syn Himura (synsual.cyberstar): greetings Nikki ,, tal cass and kati
[16:55] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): Tal everyone have a seat
[16:56] Ɲιккι Ɓєcкєηвαυєя ƬнαƖαѕѕα (nickel.snook) takes a seat, reaching down to rub her ankle, looking across the way at Cassian giving him the stink eye after seeing the grin
[16:57] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): looks at the two and raises a brow.. Shakes my head slightly and looks to Kati.. "So why have we called this meeting?"
[16:58] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I was hoping to talk with all of you about some procedural things. I want to make sure I am on the same pages as everyone else.
[16:59] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Yesterday I met with Rest and he has agreed to be the chief magistrate, with your approval of course.
[17:00] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Rest and I spent two hours going over what we though the set up should be and want to make sure we all agree.
[17:00] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): What did the two of you come to agreement on
[17:00] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Well , for one most complaints should be handled by a simple quick Magistrate hearing. only truly serious criminal charges need a trial - espionage, murder, etc. most things are handled ((in the books)) by a Magistrate simply having a Magistrates Hearing and dealing with it
[17:01] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): (( don't overload and kill the legal RP with huge complex time-consuming trials except for a very very few ))
[17:01] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): I have no issues with that
[17:01] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): I am not well acquainted with Rest, but we do tend to let the High Magistrate choose someone they'll work well with, assuming the council hasn't had need to appoint one
[17:01] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): I believe that has been the case here for a very long time
[17:01] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): except for major criminal actions, almost everything should be dealt with quickly by a magistrate hearing. magistrate summons those required as witnesses, listens and rules. "curb-side justice"
[17:02] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): The chief scribe can not change the high magistrates decisions only the Admin or Ubar, but what I have been use to is they did not/would not over rule the high magistrate.
[17:02] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): They can appeal magistrate to chief magistrate to high magistrate to Ubar/Admin
[17:03] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): 2) the scarlets are also under the cities laws, not above them. they serve arrest warrants and bring prisoners in for trial, they do NOT render their own judgment and punishment -- except in time of battle ((raiders just get killed, no trial))
[17:03] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): i would agree with that in most cases
[17:03] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Generally appeals going higher up have earned fines for wasting the Ubar's time and a reprimand for being foolish from what I've seen
[17:03] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): 3) in all my experiences as a magistrate, the single most common issue was the collaring of a free woman. the laws need to be very clear about that, and the actual collaring ordered by a magistrate only. a free citizen can drag a women to a magistrate, but cannot simply collar and strip her.
Rest (Restless Twist): those are by far the biggest 3 things
[17:04] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): all of those are consistent with Rorus current proceedures
[17:04] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): #4 is a little more complex but very important and necessary to avoid confrontations and misunderstandings, what are the rights of visiting free inside this village? if visitors from a city we are allied with, they should have the same rights as our citizens. if from other cities, they have the same rights but on a very short leash, they need to keep their behavior clean and above reproach
[17:05] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I am not sure if we are allied with anyone right now or not.
[17:06] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): Again consistent with current policies. We are allies with the city of Ar, Besnit, Skolldir and Monoa
[17:06] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): Minoa*
[17:06] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): That is good to know.
[17:07] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Also, will I be able to send messages to the city? Or do they go through you and sent out by you?
[17:08] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): I have no issues with the Head Magistrate sending messages .. if Nikki and Cassian are good with it
[17:08] Kati Beattie (kati.evans) looks too the two to see if they agree.
[17:09] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): I have added you as a notice poster
[17:09] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Thank you.
[17:09] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Also I don't know if I am on the council list or not.
[17:10] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I would like to be in attendance even if I am not a voting member.
[17:10] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): You are, though we have suspended the weekly meetings
[17:10] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): They will probably start again in September
[17:11] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): That is fine, just want to keep up with decisions you may make and communications that might go out.
[17:11] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): We try not to make too many decisions or talk to each other in Summer
[17:12] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Oh, I am not sure if I mentioned that within caste disputes we would like to direct to the caste leader for them to handle.
[17:12] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): that is how it is currently done
[17:12] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): That is usually best, and also how we've done it in the past when we can
[17:12] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): If that mets your approval as well.
[17:13] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): That is what I myself was hoping, but wanted to make sure before we started doing things and then find out we were doing them differently than you wanted.
[17:14] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): So far you are completely consistent with how we already operate
[17:14] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I appreciate all of you taking time to meet with me.
[17:15] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I wanted to make sure, since I am still rather new.
[17:15] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): It's not an easy job, and certainly doesn't always go smoothly. People won't always cooperate, and will certainly not always act like adults. You will get "defamation and slander" suits filed that are neither and more of a pissing contest
[17:16] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): it is always best to ask when your unsure. You will find that when we give someone a job we pretty much let them run it.. We may give a task but the actual running is yours
[17:16] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Yes
[17:16] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Everything sounds like the way we like to do things. And we're here if you need any help or backup
[17:16] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I really appreciate the support and a really excited to be working for you and the village.
[17:17] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): That is really all I had.
[17:17] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): We're happy to have you. And glad you wanted to meet instead of just jumping in and doing things your way
[17:18] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): We are glad to have you aboard and look forward to future RP
[17:18] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Even if your way is pretty much our way ;)
[17:18] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): As do I.
[17:18] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I am putting my schdule as I know it on a page on my desk.
[17:19] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): It is a bit fluid, but should give some idea when I would be around and when I won't.
[17:20] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Of course first life can change things some... but I wanted you to know so you can look if you like.
[17:20] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): I appreciate that
[17:21] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): That will be helpful. Another thing that may move a little rp is if you have open hearings on occasion. A time with a Magistrate on the bench where people can come in for minor disputes. Days and times don't really matter much, but it's gotten some rp in the past
[17:21] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I was thinking of doing that.
[17:22] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Just wanted to get a few things in place first.
[17:22] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): It doesn't always work, but sometimes it's been good
[17:23] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Well there is always paperwork to do while I sit there if nothing else.
[17:23] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): snickers.. "scribes always have to mention paperwork
[17:23] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): laughs - Yes, yes there is always paperwork
[17:24] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): I think they secretly like all that paperwork
[17:24] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): It'd be like me complaining about all these weapons to sharpen
[17:24] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Should I be sending copies of what is done by the magistrates office to anyone?
[17:24] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): to Nikki for filing
[17:25] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): If i want to see them i go to her for the records
[17:25] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): *giggles thinking of the weapons*
[17:25] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Ok.
[17:26] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Nikki gets copies.
[17:28] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Is there is any you would like to ask me while I am here?
[17:29] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): I cant think of anything right now .. it sounds like you have a good handle on things
[17:29] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Nothing I can think of. I know it will take a little time to get set up. If you need anything let us know, we will do what we can.
[17:31] Ɲιккι Ɓєcкєηвαυєя ƬнαƖαѕѕα (nickel.snook) nods
[17:31] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I appreciate that. I there is ever something that comes up with one of my staff please let me know. My door is always open.
[17:32] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): If there is nothing else...
[17:32] Kati Beattie (kati.evans) looks around the room.
[17:32] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): if you have nothing else i believe we are all in agreement
[17:32] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): ... may I be excused.
[17:33] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): chuckles. "I wish you well"
[17:33] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Welcome to Rorus, I wish you well
[17:33] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Thank you. I wish you well.... thank you for meeting with me on such short notice.
[17:33] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): ... and the warm welcome.
[17:34] Ɲιккι Ɓєcкєηвαυєя ƬнαƖαѕѕα (nickel.snook): I wish you well Lady Kati and thank you Kerok and Syn
[17:34] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Nods to all
[17:34] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): you should be able to open that door
[17:34] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Thanks
[16:54] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian) accidentally kicks Nikki's anlke as we go in
[16:55] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Lady
[16:55] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Tal Sir
[16:55] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Greetings Ubar, Ubara - offering Nikki an innocent grin
[16:55] Syn Himura (synsual.cyberstar): greetings Nikki ,, tal cass and kati
[16:55] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): Tal everyone have a seat
[16:56] Ɲιккι Ɓєcкєηвαυєя ƬнαƖαѕѕα (nickel.snook) takes a seat, reaching down to rub her ankle, looking across the way at Cassian giving him the stink eye after seeing the grin
[16:57] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): looks at the two and raises a brow.. Shakes my head slightly and looks to Kati.. "So why have we called this meeting?"
[16:58] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I was hoping to talk with all of you about some procedural things. I want to make sure I am on the same pages as everyone else.
[16:59] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Yesterday I met with Rest and he has agreed to be the chief magistrate, with your approval of course.
[17:00] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Rest and I spent two hours going over what we though the set up should be and want to make sure we all agree.
[17:00] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): What did the two of you come to agreement on
[17:00] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Well , for one most complaints should be handled by a simple quick Magistrate hearing. only truly serious criminal charges need a trial - espionage, murder, etc. most things are handled ((in the books)) by a Magistrate simply having a Magistrates Hearing and dealing with it
[17:01] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): (( don't overload and kill the legal RP with huge complex time-consuming trials except for a very very few ))
[17:01] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): I have no issues with that
[17:01] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): I am not well acquainted with Rest, but we do tend to let the High Magistrate choose someone they'll work well with, assuming the council hasn't had need to appoint one
[17:01] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): I believe that has been the case here for a very long time
[17:01] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): except for major criminal actions, almost everything should be dealt with quickly by a magistrate hearing. magistrate summons those required as witnesses, listens and rules. "curb-side justice"
[17:02] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): The chief scribe can not change the high magistrates decisions only the Admin or Ubar, but what I have been use to is they did not/would not over rule the high magistrate.
[17:02] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): They can appeal magistrate to chief magistrate to high magistrate to Ubar/Admin
[17:03] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): 2) the scarlets are also under the cities laws, not above them. they serve arrest warrants and bring prisoners in for trial, they do NOT render their own judgment and punishment -- except in time of battle ((raiders just get killed, no trial))
[17:03] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): i would agree with that in most cases
[17:03] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Generally appeals going higher up have earned fines for wasting the Ubar's time and a reprimand for being foolish from what I've seen
[17:03] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): 3) in all my experiences as a magistrate, the single most common issue was the collaring of a free woman. the laws need to be very clear about that, and the actual collaring ordered by a magistrate only. a free citizen can drag a women to a magistrate, but cannot simply collar and strip her.
Rest (Restless Twist): those are by far the biggest 3 things
[17:04] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): all of those are consistent with Rorus current proceedures
[17:04] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): #4 is a little more complex but very important and necessary to avoid confrontations and misunderstandings, what are the rights of visiting free inside this village? if visitors from a city we are allied with, they should have the same rights as our citizens. if from other cities, they have the same rights but on a very short leash, they need to keep their behavior clean and above reproach
[17:05] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I am not sure if we are allied with anyone right now or not.
[17:06] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): Again consistent with current policies. We are allies with the city of Ar, Besnit, Skolldir and Monoa
[17:06] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): Minoa*
[17:06] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): That is good to know.
[17:07] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Also, will I be able to send messages to the city? Or do they go through you and sent out by you?
[17:08] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): I have no issues with the Head Magistrate sending messages .. if Nikki and Cassian are good with it
[17:08] Kati Beattie (kati.evans) looks too the two to see if they agree.
[17:09] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): I have added you as a notice poster
[17:09] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Thank you.
[17:09] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Also I don't know if I am on the council list or not.
[17:10] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I would like to be in attendance even if I am not a voting member.
[17:10] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): You are, though we have suspended the weekly meetings
[17:10] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): They will probably start again in September
[17:11] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): That is fine, just want to keep up with decisions you may make and communications that might go out.
[17:11] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): We try not to make too many decisions or talk to each other in Summer
[17:12] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Oh, I am not sure if I mentioned that within caste disputes we would like to direct to the caste leader for them to handle.
[17:12] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): that is how it is currently done
[17:12] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): That is usually best, and also how we've done it in the past when we can
[17:12] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): If that mets your approval as well.
[17:13] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): That is what I myself was hoping, but wanted to make sure before we started doing things and then find out we were doing them differently than you wanted.
[17:14] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): So far you are completely consistent with how we already operate
[17:14] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I appreciate all of you taking time to meet with me.
[17:15] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I wanted to make sure, since I am still rather new.
[17:15] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): It's not an easy job, and certainly doesn't always go smoothly. People won't always cooperate, and will certainly not always act like adults. You will get "defamation and slander" suits filed that are neither and more of a pissing contest
[17:16] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): it is always best to ask when your unsure. You will find that when we give someone a job we pretty much let them run it.. We may give a task but the actual running is yours
[17:16] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Yes
[17:16] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Everything sounds like the way we like to do things. And we're here if you need any help or backup
[17:16] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I really appreciate the support and a really excited to be working for you and the village.
[17:17] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): That is really all I had.
[17:17] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): We're happy to have you. And glad you wanted to meet instead of just jumping in and doing things your way
[17:18] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): We are glad to have you aboard and look forward to future RP
[17:18] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Even if your way is pretty much our way ;)
[17:18] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): As do I.
[17:18] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I am putting my schdule as I know it on a page on my desk.
[17:19] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): It is a bit fluid, but should give some idea when I would be around and when I won't.
[17:20] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Of course first life can change things some... but I wanted you to know so you can look if you like.
[17:20] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): I appreciate that
[17:21] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): That will be helpful. Another thing that may move a little rp is if you have open hearings on occasion. A time with a Magistrate on the bench where people can come in for minor disputes. Days and times don't really matter much, but it's gotten some rp in the past
[17:21] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I was thinking of doing that.
[17:22] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Just wanted to get a few things in place first.
[17:22] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): It doesn't always work, but sometimes it's been good
[17:23] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Well there is always paperwork to do while I sit there if nothing else.
[17:23] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): snickers.. "scribes always have to mention paperwork
[17:23] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): laughs - Yes, yes there is always paperwork
[17:24] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): I think they secretly like all that paperwork
[17:24] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): It'd be like me complaining about all these weapons to sharpen
[17:24] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Should I be sending copies of what is done by the magistrates office to anyone?
[17:24] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): to Nikki for filing
[17:25] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): If i want to see them i go to her for the records
[17:25] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): *giggles thinking of the weapons*
[17:25] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Ok.
[17:26] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Nikki gets copies.
[17:28] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Is there is any you would like to ask me while I am here?
[17:29] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): I cant think of anything right now .. it sounds like you have a good handle on things
[17:29] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Nothing I can think of. I know it will take a little time to get set up. If you need anything let us know, we will do what we can.
[17:31] Ɲιккι Ɓєcкєηвαυєя ƬнαƖαѕѕα (nickel.snook) nods
[17:31] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): I appreciate that. I there is ever something that comes up with one of my staff please let me know. My door is always open.
[17:32] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): If there is nothing else...
[17:32] Kati Beattie (kati.evans) looks around the room.
[17:32] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): if you have nothing else i believe we are all in agreement
[17:32] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): ... may I be excused.
[17:33] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): chuckles. "I wish you well"
[17:33] Çassian ｲhalassa (gaiuscassian): Welcome to Rorus, I wish you well
[17:33] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Thank you. I wish you well.... thank you for meeting with me on such short notice.
[17:33] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): ... and the warm welcome.
[17:34] Ɲιккι Ɓєcкєηвαυєя ƬнαƖαѕѕα (nickel.snook): I wish you well Lady Kati and thank you Kerok and Syn
[17:34] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Nods to all
[17:34] Kerok Himura (keith.chrome): you should be able to open that door
[17:34] Kati Beattie (kati.evans): Thanks
Role / Functioning of Magistrates and Rorus Justice
Rest (Restless Twist): based on my past experience, there are a couple of beliefs i hold strongly and think are critical to making a legal system work
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): What would those be?
Rest (Restless Twist): 1) most complaints should be handled by a simple quick Magistrate hearing. only truly serious criminal charges need a trial - espionage, murder, etc. most things are handled ((in the books)) by a Magistrate simply having a Magistrates Hearing and dealing with it
Rest (Restless Twist): (( don't overload and kill the legal RP with huge complex time-consuming trials except for a very very few ))
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans) listening very interested.
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): I don't think Goreans did court that was very often.
Rest (Restless Twist): except for major criminal actions, almost everything should be dealt with quickly by a magistrate hearing. magistrate summons those required as witnesses, listens and rules. "curb-side justice"
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): Exactly how I wanted it done.
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): They can appeal magistrate to chief magistrate to high magistrate to Ubar/Admin, but if you are dead it is hard to appeal.
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): The chief scribe can not change the high magistrates decisions only the Admin or Ubar, but what I have been use to is they did not/would not over rule the high magistrate.
Rest (Restless Twist): 2) the scarlets are also under the cities laws, not above them. they serve arrest warrants and bring prisoners in for trial, they do NOT render their own judgment and punishment -- except in time of battle ((raiders just get killed, no trial))
Rest (Restless Twist): #2 is critical. i have seen many cities fail because the scarlets in reality ran the city
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): Yes, so have I
Rest (Restless Twist): 3) in all my experiences as a magistrate, the single most common issue was the collaring of a free woman. the laws need to be very clear about that, and the actual collaring ordered by a magistrate only. a free citizen can drag a women to a magistrate, but cannot simply collar and strip her.
Rest (Restless Twist): those are by far the biggest 3 things
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): Agreed, Especially not the women of the village.
Rest (Restless Twist): #4 is a little more complex but very important and necessary to avoid confrontations and misunderstandings, what are the rights of visiting free inside this village? if visitors from a city we are allied with, they should have the same rights as our citizens. if from other cities, they have the same rights but on a very short leash, they need to keep their behavior clean and above reproach
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): Yes, though that one gets a bit harder. I don't even know if we are allied with any other cities or villages.
PROCESS FOR ACTIVATING MAGISTRATES / JUSTICE IN RORUS:
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Rest (Restless Twist): to get things going in this city, i would suggest the following ... in this sequence....
Rest (Restless Twist): a) meet with nikki and commander (Kerok and Cassian) to confirm that scarlets are under city law.
Rest (Restless Twist): b) prepare and issue a notice to the citizens listing who the magistrates and advocates are (and where that list can ve viewed on an ongoing basis)
Rest (Restless Twist): c) state in that notice that the legal system is active and ready for business, highlighting that most disputes should be brought to a magistrate for a quick hearing and judgment
Rest (Restless Twist): c') if a caste member breaks caste law, rather than village law, we will turn the offenders over to the Head-Of-Caste, and expect then to notify Magistrates of their decision and punishment
Rest (Restless Twist): d) upon each and every hearing, publish the result so folks know hearings are happening, and what was decided at each. That requires Rorus notice ability
Rest (Restless Twist): that should do it
MAGISTRATES & ADVOCATES:
- Kati Beattie (Kati.Evans) -- High Magistrate
- Rest (Restless.Twist) -- Chief Magistrate & Advocate
- Strider Debruyere -- Magistrate
- Aziza Thorgeir (Skieleigh) - Advocate
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): What would those be?
Rest (Restless Twist): 1) most complaints should be handled by a simple quick Magistrate hearing. only truly serious criminal charges need a trial - espionage, murder, etc. most things are handled ((in the books)) by a Magistrate simply having a Magistrates Hearing and dealing with it
Rest (Restless Twist): (( don't overload and kill the legal RP with huge complex time-consuming trials except for a very very few ))
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans) listening very interested.
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): I don't think Goreans did court that was very often.
Rest (Restless Twist): except for major criminal actions, almost everything should be dealt with quickly by a magistrate hearing. magistrate summons those required as witnesses, listens and rules. "curb-side justice"
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): Exactly how I wanted it done.
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): They can appeal magistrate to chief magistrate to high magistrate to Ubar/Admin, but if you are dead it is hard to appeal.
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): The chief scribe can not change the high magistrates decisions only the Admin or Ubar, but what I have been use to is they did not/would not over rule the high magistrate.
Rest (Restless Twist): 2) the scarlets are also under the cities laws, not above them. they serve arrest warrants and bring prisoners in for trial, they do NOT render their own judgment and punishment -- except in time of battle ((raiders just get killed, no trial))
Rest (Restless Twist): #2 is critical. i have seen many cities fail because the scarlets in reality ran the city
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): Yes, so have I
Rest (Restless Twist): 3) in all my experiences as a magistrate, the single most common issue was the collaring of a free woman. the laws need to be very clear about that, and the actual collaring ordered by a magistrate only. a free citizen can drag a women to a magistrate, but cannot simply collar and strip her.
Rest (Restless Twist): those are by far the biggest 3 things
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): Agreed, Especially not the women of the village.
Rest (Restless Twist): #4 is a little more complex but very important and necessary to avoid confrontations and misunderstandings, what are the rights of visiting free inside this village? if visitors from a city we are allied with, they should have the same rights as our citizens. if from other cities, they have the same rights but on a very short leash, they need to keep their behavior clean and above reproach
Kati Beattie (Kati Evans): Yes, though that one gets a bit harder. I don't even know if we are allied with any other cities or villages.
PROCESS FOR ACTIVATING MAGISTRATES / JUSTICE IN RORUS:
====================================
Rest (Restless Twist): to get things going in this city, i would suggest the following ... in this sequence....
Rest (Restless Twist): a) meet with nikki and commander (Kerok and Cassian) to confirm that scarlets are under city law.
Rest (Restless Twist): b) prepare and issue a notice to the citizens listing who the magistrates and advocates are (and where that list can ve viewed on an ongoing basis)
Rest (Restless Twist): c) state in that notice that the legal system is active and ready for business, highlighting that most disputes should be brought to a magistrate for a quick hearing and judgment
Rest (Restless Twist): c') if a caste member breaks caste law, rather than village law, we will turn the offenders over to the Head-Of-Caste, and expect then to notify Magistrates of their decision and punishment
Rest (Restless Twist): d) upon each and every hearing, publish the result so folks know hearings are happening, and what was decided at each. That requires Rorus notice ability
Rest (Restless Twist): that should do it
MAGISTRATES & ADVOCATES:
- Kati Beattie (Kati.Evans) -- High Magistrate
- Rest (Restless.Twist) -- Chief Magistrate & Advocate
- Strider Debruyere -- Magistrate
- Aziza Thorgeir (Skieleigh) - Advocate
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